TYA Open Thread, Monday October 17, 2011

22 Responses to TYA Open Thread, Monday October 17, 2011

1. Todd says:

   October 17, 2011 at 8:51 pm

   Plenty of rationale actually. The Rangers fans chanted “Yankees Suck!” when Nelson Cruz hit his walk-off grand slam in the ALCS. I mean, c’mon- what’s up with that!

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   • T.O. Chris says:

     October 17, 2011 at 9:06 pm

     They are Ranger fans? It’s sort of their job to cheer against any team facing them, especially one with the most rings in the history of the sport.

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     • Mike Jaggers-Radolf says:

       October 17, 2011 at 10:18 pm

       Right, but the Yankees faced them last year. This year they were playing Detroit. I found the Yankees suck thing to be utterly nuts. Celebrate your own team. No reason to yell at a team that you’re not even facing.

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       • T.O. Chris says:

         October 18, 2011 at 3:28 am

         I can’t say I’m mad about… we’re the New York Yankees, every team, fan, owner, and jackoff even near the sport in anyway hates us unreasonably. I get that, and I get that they are very jelous of the success we have had and will continue to have. To me it just shows their insecurity about a team that hasn’t won anything in this league yet.

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2. Steve S. says:

   October 17, 2011 at 9:03 pm

   And I expect Sabathia to be a hard-line bargainer again whether he likes it in New York or not – and the way I hear it is that he and his wife, Amber, really do like living in New Jersey/New York; but that the cold winters are not something that the whole family is crazy about. Also, in Greg Genske, Sabathia has an agent that one GM Sunday described to me as a coldly effective operator who he does not imagine giving discounts. I fully expect the Sabathia camp to make two points:

   1) When A-Rod opted out of his 10-year, $252 million deal, the Yankees went over that total with a 10-year, $275 million deal. They did this though A-Rod had turned 32 the previous July, had not delivered a championship to New York and was viewed at that time as a divisive force in the clubhouse. So why shouldn’t the Yankees give Sabathia more than the seven years at $161 million considering that he only turned 31 in July, has delivered a championship and is viewed as a uniting force in the clubhouse.

   2) The Yankees offered Cliff Lee seven years at $146 million last year after he had turned 32 and done nothing yet for the Yankees. Sabathia again is 31 and has done plenty for the Yankees, and why should he accept an offer that is one penny less than seven years at $146 million?

   Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/hardball/up_bullpens_sabathia_and_darvish_AHaFYpfFqenHtyDBZs4AIJ#ixzz1b5h04Puw
   

   CC aint coming cheap, or he’s hitting the market.

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   • T.O. Chris says:

     October 17, 2011 at 9:10 pm

     I expect these negotiations to get much more ugly before they get better. With at least one party or the other walking away from the table, before resuming negotiations.

     Part of me wants the Yankees to walk away from CC, but the other part of me is the part that understand they can’t do so. Trading in CJ for CC is no trade at all, and not adding anyone if CC leaves means you go into the season with no chance at the postseason. Which we all know the Yankees can’t, and won’t do.

     The whole thing is a giant mess.

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     • Steve S. says:

       October 17, 2011 at 9:17 pm

       At the end of the day it will come down to whether or not someone else is prepared to offer him more than the Yanks. If they’re at Cliff Lee money, that’s a pretty exclusive club. Don’t forget that the Yankee offer was the highest bid for Lee, he just decided he was happier elsewhere.

       If the same thing happens wher the Yanks have the highest bid and CC bolts, there’s really nothing you can do about that. Other than capitulate from the outset, which is bad business.

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       • Mike Jaggers-Radolf says:

         October 17, 2011 at 10:20 pm

         He’ll get Lee money, maybe even a little more. My hope is that the Yankees can buy out that option with two more years before they let him hit the market, but I’m beginning feel that’s wishful thinking.

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         • T.O. Chris says:

           October 18, 2011 at 3:45 am

           Yeah I don’t see anyway he doesn’t hit the open market. Why take less than what he could get by signing an extension before hand and give away his leverage?

           I just wish we could hold him to a 5 year contract. But I know in my heart he won’t ask, or accept anything less than 6 years.

           The whole situation is just bad really. He knows we have no leverage what so ever in this thing, and if he wants he can take us to the cleaners. If I’m Cashman I’m working the phone with every GM in baseball trying to work a trade for a top of the line starter before dealing with CC. I’d overpay in prospects for a young gun just to have the ability to dictate terms. The problem with that is I don’t see a pitcher of that caliber available anywhere.

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   • Professor Longnose says:

     October 18, 2011 at 7:42 am

     1) Because the A-Rod contract turned out to be a disaster, and the Yankees learned from it.

     2) Because Lee is better than Sabathia.

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     • T.O. Chris says:

       October 18, 2011 at 8:24 pm

       Not so sure I can agree with number 2. The difference in the two is probably negligible, but I have seen nothing for me to say without a doubt Lee is better.

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3. T.O. Chris says:

   October 17, 2011 at 9:13 pm

   I’m with you Mike I have no idea how to get into this World Series. As someone who has lived in Houston for the last decade I naturally hate the Cardinals, yet the Rangers aren’t exactly my favorite team either. At the end of the day I still remember the Cardinals knocking the Astros out of the chance to go to the World Series, and Texas is still Texas. So I guess I have to cheer for the Rangers, but it won’t be loud, and I may not even watch.

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   • Mike Jaggers-Radolf says:

     October 17, 2011 at 10:23 pm

     Of the three sports I follow, I love baseball the most, but I find it the hardest to keep up with once the Yankees are out of it. Often times I also don’t even watch. Last year I paid attention because the Giants were a feel good story and in 2007 and 2008 it was anyone but the Red Sox. I’m not a fan of either team, at all. Something about the Rangers really bugs me and I can’t stand Tony LaRussa. At this point I’m just hoping the NBA gets it together in time to give me something to do from February to April.

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     • T.O. Chris says:

       October 18, 2011 at 3:32 am

       I tend to agree. Baseball is a great sport when you have a rooting interest, but if you are simply watching a game it’s not always the best. I love watching dominate pitchers start, and especially the flame throwers like Verlander. But once you get past certain matchups my interest fades.

       I’m not sure what it is about Tony L. But I can’t stand the guy, and I don’t know of a non-cardinal fan that likes him.

       I have a bad feeling about basketball. I’ve thought from the outset that whole season is going to go the way of the hockey lockout.

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       • Professor Longnose says:

         October 18, 2011 at 7:43 am

         You could root for the Cardinals to lose, but Pujols to have a monster series, which will force St. Loo either to cough up so much dough they stunt their team for a decade, or to let Pujols walk and lose a million ticket sales next year.

         Not that that’s how it will have to play out, but you could root for it.

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         • T.O. Chris says:

           October 18, 2011 at 8:26 pm

           I dislike Pujols… Ever since he belted that shot off of Lidge in the NLCS, that still hasn’t landed out of Minute Maid, I got jaded.

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4. Michael P. says:

   October 17, 2011 at 10:21 pm

   CC has the Yankees stuck in between a rock and a hard place. I expect the negotiations to get pretty ugly but I still believe it is imperative that we retain him. However while we are all throwing out not so plausible scenarios on how to improve the Yankees I would throw this one out there. The Rays have an ace pitcher who they could deal. Hes super talented, and young, and a lefty. He is also about to become very expensive because he is about to hit his first your of arbitration. Have you figured it out yet? David Price. They have Matt Moore already groomed for replacement. Ownership keeps losing money because of an indifferent fan base. Friedman would never ever pull the trigger on this deal but like I said almost every single trade mentioned can be discounted for one reason or another.

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   • Mike Jaggers-Radolf says:

     October 17, 2011 at 10:26 pm

     I’ve heard folks float Price’s name out there before. I think that for the next three years CC will be the better pitcher, but David Price is one excellent pitcher who I feel is on his way to a great career. That said, I just don’t see the Rays trading him to anyone just yet, and certainly not within division. He would cost the Yankees Banuelos and Betances, maybe more. It’s an interesting pick up, but I think we only see Price in pinstripes via free agency.

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     • Michael P. says:

       October 17, 2011 at 10:34 pm

       Montero, Banuelos, Betances and most likely someone else for Price. And you know what? As much as I am pretty much as anti trade as can be, I would pull the trigger on that deal. Young ace who has yet to hit his prime for 3 high talent kids and another who may never do so? Have to do that. But it will never ever ever happen. However one deal that would be interesting to me and also feasible would be to call the Dodgers about Billingsly. Not an ace, but could develop into a strong 2, and I think could do with a change in scenery.

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       • T.O. Chris says:

         October 18, 2011 at 3:35 am

         No Dodger is going to be traded. Selig wants to keep that team intact so that any possible owner feels they have the starpower to do with what they want. Besides if they would trade Billingsly I’d just go all in and trade for Kershaw. It would cost a boat load, but he’s the best young left handed pitcher in baseball, better than Price even.

         I’m not a Billingsly hater, but I wouldn’t really want him on the Yankees. He’s someone if available in free agency I wouldn’t be mad if we signed, but I’m not trading prospects for. He seems like someone who will never be as good as his stuff, and he may be no better than a number 3 in the AL East with half his games in Yankee Stadium.

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       • Professor Longnose says:

         October 18, 2011 at 7:45 am

         I would trade Banuelos and Betances and more, but I still hate to give up Montero. How about Romine, and more?

         Second thought: Maybe Romine is the one who should be kept. It’s hard to say.

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5. Professor Longnose says:

   October 18, 2011 at 8:14 am

   Over the years, there have been many times when I rooted for both teams to lose the World Series. It hasn’t happened yet, but I’m still hoping.

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