Yankee news round-up: Ubaldo, Hughes, K-Rod

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1. Duh, Innings! says:

   July 13, 2011 at 3:57 pm

   I’d make that trade for Ubaldo now/asap. ‘Say they traded Betances plus two for Ubaldo. The Yankees played the Rockies in interleague play this year, so I’d imagine the earliest they’d face the Rockies again barring facing them in the World Series is 2014. So whoever the Yankees trade for Ubaldo will not bite them in the ass in terms of regular-season play for at least two years (2012 and 2013) and may never bite them in the ass there if no one in the package for Ubaldo hurts them in 2014 if they’ll even be Rockies then. If Betances is in the 2014 Rockies rotation, there’s no guarantee he’ll draw the Yankees.

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2. Matt Imbrogno says:

   July 13, 2011 at 3:59 pm

   I wonder what the offer to the Yankees would’ve been like–PTBNL, lower level prospect, etc. I’m assuming it woudl’ve been a PTBNL (not a great one, either) w/the Yankees not taking any money from the Mets.

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   Duh, Innings! Reply:
   July 13th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

   Better the Yankees didn’t trade for him cuz they’d only anger him.

   K-Rod must be furious right now because you know he’s not getting his vested option with the Brewers. He is 13 appearances shy of getting his vested option. No way the Brewers bring him in for more than 12 (42 + 12 = 54.)

   Better K-Rod is angry at the Brewers than the Yankees.

   I consider signing K-Rod a threefold investment:

   1. Insurance against an injured Mo.

   2. Insurance against a Mo-less bullpen after next year.

   3. Insurance against Soriano never closing for the Yankees save if K-Rod got injured, and even then I’d make D-Rob or even Joba the closer first, see if they get it done, before I turn to Soriano.

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3. UYF1950 says:

   July 13, 2011 at 4:33 pm

   I can see Betances and either Montero OR Romine and 2 lower lever prospects. I would try and hold on to Banuelos if at all possible. He’s only 20 years old and lefties are at a premium especially at Yankee Stadium. And considering Ubaldo Jimenez his extremely affordable for the next few years plus his away stats are much better then his home stats at Coors Field. I think it’s a no brainer. Pitchers the caliber of Jimenez don’t hit the market very often. A rotation featuring CC and Jimenez at the top would be a sight to behold. That’s just my opinion.

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   July 13th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

   I don’t see anyway possible they would take Betances, Montero/Romine, and 2 low end minor leaguers. Ubaldo is their ace, and under team control until 2014. I think it would cost at least Montero, Banuelos, Nova, and another prospect. I would want to keep either Betances or Banuelos, obviously, but it wouldn’t be a sticking point for me. If the demanded Montero, Betances, Banuelos, and Nova, I’d do it.

   Ubaldo and Sabathia ensure we have one of the top 2 or 3 1-2 punches in baseball for the next 4 years minimum.

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4. Duh, Innings! says:

   July 13, 2011 at 4:36 pm

   I say trade for Ubaldo this year, sign K-Rod for next, and re-sign Ayala for next for this set 2012 Yankees pitching staff:

   Rotation: Sabathia/Jimenez/Burnett/Hughes/Nova

   Bullpen: Rivera/K-Rod/Soriano/Robertson/Felicano/Logan/Ayala

   If Mo falls to injury next year, K-Rod is the closer while Mo is out.

   Perhaps K-Rod saves 12-15 games in 2012 so Mo is conserved for the postseason. Even 10 saves from K-Rod would be great.

   If Mo retires after next year, K-Rod is the closer 2013 on.

   Again I’d rather overpay for K-Rod than Buerhle or Wilson, or trade even more top prospects for a name reliever.

   Btw Heath Bell is an idiot for sprinting out of the bullpen (risk of hamstring injury) and sliding before stepping onto the mound (ankle, etc. injury.) I don’t want any part of him. Could you imagine if the Yankees acquired him, he did that dumb sprint out of the bullpen, and pulled his hamstring. I don’t want to.

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   M-Three Reply:
   July 13th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

   The Yanks aren’t bringing Ayala back after this year. I know he is having a good year but Ayala is just like every other middle reliever. He will have his good year and bad years, we are catching him on one of those good ones. The chances of him repeating this for us next year aren’t good. Plus, we have younger relievers to fill that spot. If Noesi isn’t starting for us next year I think he will fill that spot in the pen as a jack-of-all-trades guy. There is no need to bring Ayala back. He is just another journeyman middle reliever.

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   July 13th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

   I don’t see anyway K-rod signs to setup unless we really overpay, and there is no way I want both Soriano and Rodriguez on ridiculous reliever salaries.

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   alfredo Reply:
   July 14th, 2011 at 1:14 am

   dream yankee fan ubaldo isnt goin nowhere hes a colorado man nd always be

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   July 14th, 2011 at 1:47 am

   I really don’t see how its a dream. The Rockies have made it known that for the right price they would be willing to trade anyone on the team not named Car-go, or Tulow. His velocity is down this year, and while I think that is from a back ailment early on, they could be worried about it longterm. He is also likely to leave Colorado when his contract is up anyway, since I don’t see them being able to compete with the kinds of offers the Red Sox and Yankees would give to someone like Ubaldo. If they can get 3 of the best prospects in baseball they would have to consider it.

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   nyyankeefanforever Reply:
   July 14th, 2011 at 1:56 am

   K-rod has already said publicly he was willing to be traded to be a set-up man for a contender this season, but after this season he wants to be a closer or get paid closer money — in another words, forget it. The only way we do another Soriano-like Mo-In-Waiting deal is if Brian C moves on and insanity envelops our front office. A deal like that would only happen over his dead body, and rightly so. It’s nuts.

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5. David, Jr. says:

   July 13, 2011 at 4:50 pm

   Ubaldo would take more that what is being discussed here. They would want a deal with a proven starter included, not all prospects.

   Something like Hughes, Montero and Nova. They get two righthanders to replace him, plus Montero. We get a stud #1/2, which isn’t that easy to do. We have plenty of Catchers in the system behind Montero, and if we view him as a DH, we have that easily covered. We keep Banuelos and Betances for the future.

   He isn’t going to come cheaper than that.

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   July 13th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

   I think they would want Banuelos and Betances together over Hughes, unless they just really value Hughes. Hughes has had his own problems well documented at this point. The idea of getting a future first baseman (Montero), 2 possible future top end of the rotation prospects, and Nova should come close to doing it.

   If they do really love Hughes I think they would want Montero, Hughes, Betances, and Nova.

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   nyyankeefanforever Reply:
   July 14th, 2011 at 2:21 am

   That would be a great deal if it’s there for us right now. Hughes’s value, I fear, only goes south from here.

   Why the heck is Phil shooting his mouth off to the media about experimenting with new pitches, and actually explaining to the media — and the rest of the league — what the grip will look like when he throws it? Is this his own brilliant idea or is Rothschild even involved? (I know he said he “showed” it to Rothschild in the BP and Larry was “impressed” but that sounded more like positive reinforcement by the coach than strategic input.

   I know the team probably felt they had to get a snapshot of Phil’s progress before the TD and that’s why they sent Ivan down and brought Phil back up so fast; but was anybody actually reassured by what they saw in his debut outing? If he truly has a magic new out pitch, wouldn’t then have been a better place to try it out; or better still, back on the farm?

   Velocity and change-ups and new pitches aside, I have this uneasy feeling Hughes could be quietly turning into a headcase in denial that he’s simply not the flame-throwing untouchable young phenom he imagines he is. I sure hope I’m wrong, of course. But he’s been insisting all along he HAS no problem, that he wasn’t hurt, didn’t feel any pain, and that he’s been good to go all along, That’s troubling to me.

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   July 14th, 2011 at 8:53 am

   I don’t see how he is “shooting his mouth off” at all. I also don’t see any harm at all in showing a curveball grip. They asked every single pitcher in the postseason in 2009 to show each grip they have on TV, they really aren’t that secretive. Mariano shows every pitcher at the All-Star game his cutter every year, going as far as to give them pointers. I imagine he was either throwing a knuckle curve and went to a regular curve, or vice versa. It’s not ground breaking.

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   nyyankeefanforever Reply:
   July 14th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

   There’s a big difference between showing a pitch to the cameras you’ve been throwing all season that’s documented and charted in every opponent’s video room and one you haven’t even thrown yet in a game, doncha think? Also, how smart is it to brag on something you haven’t even mastered or attempted in a game yet — especially when you’re a borderline bust struggling to prove you’re still relevant? Just strikes me as somewhat immature behavior with no upside and the potential to blow up in his face. I guess we’ll see how it works out for him.

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   July 14th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

   No, not really. A pitch is a pitch, it’s not going to get hit, or not hit because he told someone he changed the grip.

   I didn’t really see it as bragging, and more along the lines of he’s just going back to something that worked in the past. He didn’t say he was going to dominate the world with it.

   Not really sure how it would blow up in his face, and I really don’t see how it’s immature.

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6. UYF1950 says:

   July 13, 2011 at 5:17 pm

   Regardless of what it may or may not take should he be made available. Cashman should at least check it out, which I’m sure he will do if he hasn’t already.

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8. T.O. Chris says:

   July 13, 2011 at 10:52 pm

   I think Nova will probably be included in any deal for Ubaldo. He wouldn’t be anything more than the 4th member of the package, but he would provide them with a major league ready arm to insert directly into the rotation to go along with the prospects.

   I’ve actually seen Rockies fans saying they would want a first baseman of the future in any deal for Ubaldo, and if the Rockies feel the same that means Montero is a pretty perfect fit. Adding his potential to a lineup of Car-Go, and Tulow, in that park could mean a pretty good offense going forward.

   The two packages I could see the Rockies taking for Jimenez ar as follows.

   Montero, Banuelos, Betances, and Nova.

   Montero, Hughes, Betances/Banuelos, and Nova.

   These seem to make the most sense giving the fact that they would be parting with an ace caliber pitcher. I personally don’t see the Rockies being in love with Hughes, but its been mentioned enough to create a package around.

   I love the potential of Montero, Betances and Banuelos, but what they could give you in the future individually isn’t what Jimenez can offer this year, and into the next 4 or so seasons.

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9. T.O. Chris says:

   July 14, 2011 at 8:48 am

   I have been reading a lot of “Ubaldo won’t cost as much because he has been terrible all year”. This simply isn’t true. While he was bad to start the season, and I believe this was because of his back, since June first he has been a complete stud.

   Since June first… 53.2 IP, 7.92 H/9, 8.28 K/9, 1.8 BB/9, with a 2.50 ERA. Which includes a 7 inning, 2 ER game against the Yankees, in Yankee Stadium.

   I’ve been reading some crazy low trade proposals out there, with people going so far as to say they wouldn’t even consider Nova in a deal for Jimenez, and only offering Romine, Betances, and a Noesi type. The Nova overrating has to stop, and the Jimenez underrating has to stop. No team is going to give away a 27 year old pitcher, with Jimenez’s stuff, makeup, and age, making less than 3 million dollars this year for peanuts.

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10. woba says:

    July 16, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    I say do what it takes to get ubaldo a rough start to this year doesnt concern me with better players around him more run support and a change of scenary i think he will be lights out as far as relief soriano’s rough start to this year should not discount his great season the previous year he was most likely injured most of the time he pitched for the yankees i believe people may see him in a different light when he comes back healthy.

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