Game Thread: Red Sox vs Yankees, 6/9/2011 (7:05PM EST on MY9)

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1. Professor Longnose says:

   June 9, 2011 at 7:30 pm

   All right, Yankees, I’m here. Do your worst. 3 hits all night? Fine. 0 for 18 with runners in scoring position? Go ahead. 3 errors in an inning? I dare you! I CAN TAKE IT! I’m here now and I’ll be here in the 9th. You can’t drive me away.

   Play ball!

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

   Or rain delay haha.

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   Professor Longnose Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

   That’s the one thing I wasn’t prepared for.

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2. T.O. Chris says:

   June 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm

   I’m actually afraid that the best thing for Martin at this point is a DL stint. He obviously has a broken a toe that was causing him to disappear at the plate, and now with the back he isn’t likely to be very mobile behind the plate. His triple slash line has plummeted since the injuries down to .238/.346/.438. Losing him now for the short term wouldn’t be ideal, but with his history he could fight through these injuries and be forced to miss major time later.

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   Professor Longnose Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

   Yeah, they have no choice but to give him the time he needs to heal. They can’t jerk him around.

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

   Part of his injury history in my opinion is the fact that he is so damn tough, and never actually wants to miss a game. At times I’m sure he doesn’t reveal how much pain he is in, to the point he can actually further his own injury without realizing it. Sometimes players have to be protected from their own will to play. If he is due to miss any more games the DL may be the best choice.

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   bornwithpinstripes Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

   DL IS THE MOVE..

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3. T.O. Chris says:

   June 9, 2011 at 7:50 pm

   Is Jesus Montero injured or something? He isn’t in today’s lineup, and the last game he played was on the 5th. I understand Gustavo Molina and Pilittere want/need playing time, but he hasn’t been so much as a DH.

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   Steve S. Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

   Cervelli has been DFA’d, Montero has been called up to be their #2 Catcher. Starting tomorrow Jeter will be batting 8th, Gardner leads off and Noesi will take Garcia’s spot in the rotation. Posada has 3 more weeks to hit, or he gets the axe as well.

   The Yanks have finally decided to put their best team on the field.

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   Steve S. Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

   BTW-I hope people know not to take that last comment too literally. I do think there are inefficiencies on this team and they’re not always playing their best 9 options where they belong.

   For starters, Derek Jeter is not a good enough offensive player to be getting the most ABs on the team. That just has to stop at some point.

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   Professor Longnose Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

   You had me there for a minute.

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

   Have you heard anything real on Montero Steve? It seems like he wouldn’t just be held out of the lineup for 4 days for no reason.

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   steve s. Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

   No, but have you dug through the SWB blog? If there’s nothing there, shoot Donnie Collins an e-mail.

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

   Dmincer was right, he’s been battling an eye infection. There is no timetable for his return, listed as day to day. Must be a pretty bad infection though.

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4. Dmincer says:

   June 9, 2011 at 8:51 pm

   Montero has an eye infection. Day to day

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

   Thanks for the information, I couldn’t find anything. Now that you say something I think I re-call something about his eye from a few days ago, but I had no idea it was keeping him out of games, and I didn’t piece it together.

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5. Professor Longnose says:

   June 9, 2011 at 9:26 pm

   Still haven’t called the game. Do they expect to play?

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   T.O. Chris Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

   Michael Kay says they are going to play.

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   Professor Longnose Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

   Yeah, I heard. After 10:00.

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6. Matt Imbrogno says:

   June 9, 2011 at 9:53 pm

   So, Scott Kazmir.

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   Professor Longnose Reply:
   June 9th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

   What???

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7. Professor Longnose says:

   June 9, 2011 at 10:13 pm

   Well, it’s been a dull 3 hours, but better than last night.

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8. Professor Longnose says:

   June 9, 2011 at 10:20 pm

   Here comes the game.

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9. Professor Longnose says:

   June 9, 2011 at 10:34 pm

   Bloop single for Elsbury. Let’s see if they can avoid throwing the ball into centerfield when he tries to steal.

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10. Professor Longnose says:

    June 9, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    He couldn’t! He threw the ball into centerfield again!

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    I think it’s in his head. It’s a form of the yips in my opinion. He was much beter at throwing out runners originally, and I think it started out as simply a bad throw or two that got into his head. Now instead of throwing, I bet he’s thinking about not throwing the ball away. Not unlike what happened to Salty a year or two ago with the Rangers when he couldn’t throw the ball back to the pitcher.

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    I read an intersting book on sports neurology called Why Michael Couldn’t Hit that talked about the yips. Apparently it is, or some cases are, a neurological thing–you “learn” a particular neurological pathway that is incorrect, and the more the more you practice, the more your brain learns the wrong way. I don’t know if that’s what’s happening to Cervelli, but it was probably what happened to, say, Chuck Knoblauch.

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11. Professor Longnose says:

    June 9, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    And they just hit a guy again! They should throw Beckett out of the game.

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Clearly wasn’t on purpose, and throwing him out would be a bad call on the umps part.

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    At this point, on purpose doesn’t matter. The Yankees have to make the Sox afraid to pitch like that.

    Girardi should have told the umps to issue a warning before the game started. Failing that, they should have forced one in the top half of the first.

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    When it comes to throwing him out of the game on purpose is the only thing that does matter.

    Beckett is never going to be afraid to pitch inside, it’s one of the things that has made him so good. Great power pitchers move peoples feet, they throw inside, and they don’t worry about hitting someone. If that is in your mind you are going to leak a fastball back over the plate and get burned. In fact the other day Leiter said he never thought “oh I may get someone on my team hurt if I pitch inside”, and that it didn’t effect him going inside at all.

    Besides giving the Red Sox a base runner to start the game is probably going to backfire, at best you simply make CC throw more pitches, at worst he ends up giving up runs in the first.

    You can’t tell the umps to issue a warning, and even if you could asking for that to happen would be incredibly short sighted. A warning takes away the inside of the plate for both pitchers, not just Beckett, taking away a weapon from CC and making him feel uncomfortable moving hitters back and pitching inside.

    Besides if you want CC to plunk a guy for the overall amount of HBP’s we have seen than a warning in the first is the last thing you want, since CC would be thrown out immediately.

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    I disagree. I don’t think one baseruner against Sabbathia is going to be more important than making the Red Sox hitters uncomfortable. The Yankees are ceding an important part of the game to the Sox, and they need to take it back.

    Putting pressure on the umpires to warn the Red Sox is a good way to make at least some Red Sox pitchers think twice about what they trow in certain situations. And some day you could get a favorable call and get a Sox starter out early.

    And managing warnings, making sure that you get your beanballs in before the warnings and the other team doesn’t get a chance to throw at you and then have the umpires cut off your ability to retaliate, is a great advantage. I used to see this all the time, and it worked.

    This team just isn’t good enough to let the Sox have that kind of an advantage.

    Not to mention all the injuries the Yankees have suffered over the years from being hit by Red Sox pitches.

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Last season Sabathia hit Kurt Suzuki with 2 outs in the first, a game after we had been beaned, the following batter hit a home run and CC lost that game. 1 base runner can be very important.

    I honestly don’t think a single Red Sox pitcher is going to enter into any game thinking “if I hit someone I’m getting warned”. You simply can’t play that way, you have to pitch your game, and if you hit someone and get warned then you deal with it after the fact.

    If we can’t beat them any other way than having their pitchers tossed early, especially in the first for an accidental plunking, we don’t deserve to win.

    You can’t force them to warn the Red Sox pitchers the first time they do something, because it then takes away the inside half of the plate for your own pitchers. You can’t get so caught up in warning Beckett that you take away from what CC can do.

    In this scenario asking the umps to be ready to warn wouldn’t have done anything. Ellsbury got on with a bloop in the first AB of the game, do you then want to plunk Youkilis with 2 outs instead of striking him out? Then in the bottom of the inning Jeter gets hit first thing, if you get a warning there we never actually get to hit them, and you take away the inside of the plate from CC.

    There are times for hitting the other team, but you do it in times where it’s least likely to hurt your team, and you don’t ask for warning from the umps before hand. If anything we need to go back to the time before warnings when players took care of things themselves. I’m glad there was no warning after the Jeter plunking.

    What advantage? Hitting us? Not getting hit? You can move batters feet, and you can take control of the inside of the plate without turning every game into a bean ball war. In fact that is what good pitchers do, you don’t get warned but you still get your point across.

    Being hit is part of baseball… Do you really think we haven’t injured our fair share of batters with HBP’s? We knocked Carlos Pena out for the last part of the 2009 season with a broken hand from Carlos Pena.

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Yes, one batter CAN be important, but on average isn’t very. There are always examples that aren’t representative.

    I don’t know of any ballplayers who agree with you that pitchers don’t feel pressure not to pitch inside, or that batters don’t feel less comfortable hitting when they get pitches inside. I think you’re wrong, and I think most ballplayers would think you’re wrong.

    And you don’t have to “plunk”. You can simply pitch inside and let the Sox take their chances.

    And the Yankees have been injured disproportionately by Red Sox pitchers over the last few years.

    Obviously, Sabbathia disagrees with you, and he didn’t seem to have a problem with the extra baserunner.
12. T.O. Chris says:

    June 9, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    That’s how you pay back a HBP. You simply do damage with the base runner.

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13. Matt Warden says:

    June 9, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    First time the Yanks have lead this series. Nice feeling huh? On another positive note, it’s nice to see Beckett get tourched right after plunking Jete.

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14. T.O. Chris says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Interesting O’Neil would say that, I have heard several batters say they prefer a black bat because they could see what part of the bat they hit the ball with.

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15. steve s. says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    I seriously hope this game doesn’t devolve into a bean ball war. Those game are just ugly, and very tough to watch.

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    Matt Warden Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Sounds like most Yankee/Sox matches….

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    I don’t think it would be any tougher to watch than the first two games of this series.

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17. Professor Longnose says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Yeah, the ump blew the call. That was a catch.

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    Matt Warden Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    I won’t lose sleep over it.

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    Will you lose sleep over the HBPs?

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    Matt Warden Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    Lol, oh hell no! I will become fairly cross if they don’t start bringing some of the runners in though!

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    He’s clearly throwing 2-seamers that are just running in. Alex almost hit a HR last AB, he needed to pitch inside because that’s Alex’s weakness.

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18. Professor Longnose says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Bautista still has 20 homers? He must be in a mini-slump.

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Pitchers are pitching him differently. They have stopped giving him that fastball on the inside, and are forcing him to go out of the zone to get the hard stuff.

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    That could be it. His BA and OBP are still right where they were, so he’s not in a general slump, just not the same power.

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    I don’t know why it took this long. Just like Granderson he would almost never see a fastball from me. They only time either one would get anything hard is for the strikeout out of the zone, or out of the zone to setup a breaking pitch.

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    bornwithpinstripes Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    he’s waiting for a fresh batch

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19. bornwithpinstripes says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    loaded bases ..cano first pitch..

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20. T.O. Chris says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Clearly on purpose, and stupid to boot. Now you have two on and 1 out. If they tie the game or worse, that little message won’t mean anything.

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21. bornwithpinstripes says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    CC hit him with a cream puff..in the ribs .not in that hippos ass..better off not hitting him

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22. Matt Imbrogno says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Wally Matthews is a joke.

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    Matt Warden Reply:
    June 9th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Heh, the comment was unecessary.

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23. T.O. Chris says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    “I don’t know of any ballplayers who agree with you that pitchers don’t feel pressure not to pitch inside, or that batters don’t feel less comfortable hitting when they get pitches inside. I think you’re wrong, and I think most ballplayers would think you’re wrong.”

    What are you saying I’m saying? Of course hitters get uncomfortable when they get pitched inside, I never said they didn’t. Of course pitchers get wary of the inside of the plate when they get a warning, again I never said they didn’t. However no pitcher goes to the mound from the start of the game thinking “If I hit someone I’m going to get a warning”. If they get a warning then it plays an affect on the mind, but if you are just out pitching you aren’t worried about hitting someone or getting warned. I know of no players that would agree with that.

    “And you don’t have to “plunk”. You can simply pitch inside and let the Sox take their chances.”

    Not sure what you mean with “take their chances”. My whole point is that you can take back the inside of the plate without hitting anyone. I think we agree on this one.

    “And the Yankees have been injured disproportionately by Red Sox pitchers over the last few years.”

    Which means what? We need to injure some to get even? I don’t want to go around injuring players, not how I like to roll. I have no problem with hitting the other team at all if they injure out players, but there are times and places.

    “Obviously, Sabbathia disagrees with you, and he didn’t seem to have a problem with the extra baserunner.”

    What Sabathia did was stupid! He hit Ortiz with Youk on first in a 2-0 game. If he gives up a HR to Lowrie or Crawford then it’s 3-2 and the message you just sent gets erased.

    If you are going to hit someone you do it with the bases empty and 2 outs, not before, unless you are in a somewhat of a blowout.

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 10th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    No, we don’t need to injure them. We need to get them to stop not giving a damn that they’re injuring us. And you do that by throwing close, and hitting a guy if you have to.

    No, it wasn’t stupid. He lost a baserunner, which had the potential to bite him back. He gained quite a bit in letting the Red Sox know that they have to be careful at the plate, and even more careful when their pitchers are hitting Yankee batters.

    There have been series between teams before when things got hot, and when warnings were issued before games, and yes, the pitchers complained that they were worried about being thrown out of a game if they threw inside.

    The Yankees’ problem here is that they didn’t do this games ago, if not years ago. They let the Red Sox do this, and if they had had a tougher attitude, there probably would have been many fewer HBPs on both sides over the years.

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 10th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Putting the tying run on base, on purpose, with 1 out is the definition of stupid. He could’ve done it in a much better situation than that, and if I was the manager I would have told him so. He risked the lead to “prove a point”, and he did against a guy who he has had a lot of success against in his career. Also if you
    remember Agon’s AB’s he clearly was already thinking about CC throwing inside.

    Yes… That’s my point, if you issue warning before games you have pitchers who are afraid to pitch inside, so if you encourage the umps to issue a warning early you may take a weapon away from Beckett, but you also take a weapon away from Sabathia. Something you don’t want to do.

    We couldn’t do this games ago because we had given up 3 runs in the first innings of both games. Hitting someone during the middle of two pitchers struggling isn’t smart.

    I don’t agree with that at all, it’s like you have forgotten Roger Clemens use to be a Yankee. He has hit his fair share of Red Sox, what happens years ago doesn’t affect Beckett or anyone else today.

    Once again I am not against hitting a batter from time to time when the situation is right, and they have it coming. However there are ways to take back the inside of the plate without hitting them. In situations where it would hurt you to hit batters you can move their feet, it’s actually a lost art of today’s game. I am also not in favor of having warnings issued before games.

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 10th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Yes. moving their feet is a very good idea.

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 10th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    I feel like we only disagree on one or two things and the rest we are describing similar view points, in different ways.

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24. bornwithpinstripes says:

    June 9, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    gardner 2 oh swing again

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25. Professor Longnose says:

    June 10, 2011 at 12:17 am

    More like a long waddle for Swisher.

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26. T.O. Chris says:

    June 10, 2011 at 12:28 am

    Looks like Beckett is throwing a modified split finger grip.

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27. Professor Longnose says:

    June 10, 2011 at 12:34 am

    That was a triple??

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28. Professor Longnose says:

    June 10, 2011 at 12:47 am

    That was ugly.

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29. T.O. Chris says:

    June 10, 2011 at 12:52 am

    That became a blowout quick.

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    Professor Longnose Reply:
    June 10th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Given how the Yankees score in the late innings, it was probably over at 3-2.

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30. Professor Longnose says:

    June 10, 2011 at 1:03 am

    I’ve got to get up for work in the morning. Good night, all.

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    T.O. Chris Reply:
    June 10th, 2011 at 1:17 am

    All right, Yankees, I’m here. Do your worst. 3 hits all night? Fine. 0 for 18 with runners in scoring position? Go ahead. 3 errors in an inning? I dare you! I CAN TAKE IT! I’m here now and I’ll be here in the 9th. You can’t drive me away.

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    Matt Warden Reply:
    June 10th, 2011 at 7:33 am

    ↑ masochist

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