Rays or Red Sox: Who would you rather face?
Despite the panic in Boston and a horrific stretch of recent play, the Red Sox still hold a 3-game lead over the red-hot Rays for the American League Wild Card. Boston’s recent struggles have re-opened the wild card race, and while the Red Sox should still be heavy favorites to make it to October, we can no longer count out the Rays as legitimate contenders to make the playoffs. The TYA staff has had some discussions about who we would rather play, and I thought it would be interesting to share some of those ideas here.
Reasons to prefer Boston
Boston’s weaknesses: Even with all their injuries and recent struggles, Boston is still a very talented team. However, they have significant question marks that might make them a vulnerable opponent. returns today, but it is possible his ankle injury could prevent him from being the dominant force that the Yankees have struggled against this season. The rotation is thin without , and would likely be starting meaningful playoff games.
Several other big contributors for Boston are banged up, including and , while Yankee-killer is in a terrible slump and relief ace has been beatable of late. While a healthy Boston is clearly a more well-rounded team than Tampa, an injury-riddled Boston team that backs into the playoffs could be an easier matchup than they might appear to be on paper.
Tampa’s strengths: If the Yankees were to draw the Rays in the ALCS, they would be facing an opponent with significant momentum that made a stunning comeback to take the wild card, and then won their division series matchup. While I have a tough time putting a lot of weight into psychological factors such as confidence and momentum, there is something to be said for wanting to avoid the hot team (I have visions of the 2002 Angels rally-monkeying all over the Yankees, and having this aura of invincibility).
As for the on-field factors, the 1-2 punch of and scares me as much if not more than Boston’s duo, as both guys have recently dominated the Yankees, and the Rays are also deeper at the back end of the rotation. Although they don’t have the lineup thunder of the Red Sox, the Tampa lineup is plenty dangerous, and has enough speed to distract the Yankee pitching staff.
Reasons to prefer Tampa
Boston’s strengths: On paper, Boston’s lineup is far superior to that of the Rays. There are few weaknesses in the lineup top-to-bottom, and even the guys who haven’t pulled their weight offensively this year have hit well against the Yankees (especially Scutaro and Crawford). This is a deep and talented lineup with a lot of left-handed power, and the Yankees will have a tough time neutralizing Ellsbury, Ortiz, and Gonzalez with only one lefty starter and one LOOGY. This lineup has too many guys who hit Yankee pitching consistently well for me to feel comfortable facing them.
Although I’d take Tampa’s rotation depth over Boston’s and slightly prefer Price/Shields to Beckett/Lester, Josh Beckett has terrorized the Yankees enough in big situations to be wary of facing him twice in a big series. Boston’s bullpen is also stronger at the back end, with the Bard-Papelbon tandem effectively reducing games to 7 innings when everything is going well.
Tampa’s weaknesses: While Tampa’s rotation is strong, their bullpen is somewhat shortened by the injury to closer (words I never thought I would utter). The offense has dangerous hitters like and , but their overall lineup is not as deep or dangerous as Boston’s is. Sure recent callup has the potential to be a dominant force out of the bullpen in the postseason, but there is also the potential that he could struggle due to inexperience and pressure.
After examining the strengths and weaknesses of both teams, the Red Sox seem to be a tougher matchup on paper, while Tampa would have the intangibles/psychological factors in their favor. It’s hard to know how healthy Boston come October, which is a factor in the Rays’ favor, but I imagine that the furious race to the finish could potentially deplete both teams.
Since we at Yankee Analysts tend to focus on tangible, quantifiable factors, I’m still be more afraid of Boston’s lineup depth than Tampa’s momentum and magic (though I concede that these factors can have an effect on outcomes). However, I acknowledge that if one or more of the injured Red Sox are not able to return to health and effectiveness, then I may need to reevaluate my position. In conclusion, I’ll be rooting for the Rays down the stretch. Even if Boston presents a better matchup for the Yankees going into the playoffs, it is to the Yankees’ benefit if both teams have to go all-out in the battle for the wild card.
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While I agree with your analysis in comparing the two teams, there is a critical part of the analysis that you ignored. The Yankees will not play the wildcard team in the 1st round. With Detroit’s winning streak, they will play the wildcard team, and my Yankees will play Texas (hopefully, better than they did last year). While, Detroit would be more of a concern in a shorter series, I would really like to avoid them. To do so, my first line of inquiry would be whether Boston or Tampa Bay matches up better with, and is more likely to beat, Detroit. That is the team that I would prefer to have qualify as the wildcard winner.
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A valid point, and I probably should have addressed it better (I actually did in an earlier version of this post that wordpress ate). Certainly, whoever the Yankees play from the AL East (if they both make it to the ALCS) will have beaten Detroit, which is certainly a factor to consider.
I don’t think it matters much – form on the day and luck will decide who wins in the play offs, and they are all strong opponents.
What matters to me more is to see “The Best Team Ever”, the “Team That Will Challenge The 1927 Yankees” miss out on the play offs. :)
Still unlikely, though.
a win by the rays tonight would send shock waves in NE..keep rooting
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go rays..never would i root for the sux to make the play offs..never.. guys like price ,,kotchman, longoria..shields and others are classy ML players.. sux fans would never say yanks or..it would be or every time..i am watching the ray game now rooting for a come back…damon on third 1 out..go rays
Since we at Yankee Analysts tend to focus on tangible, quantifiable factors, I’m still be more afraid of Boston’s lineup depth than Tampa’s momentum and magic (though I concede that these factors can have an effect on outcomes)
Eric, I think you greatly mischaracterized the arguments I made in support of the Rays. There’s nothing “intangible” about who’s hot and who’s not, we can look at September records for how the team is pitching, hitting and whether they’re healthy or not. The Sox are breaking down left and right, and their bullpen is exhausted due to all the poor outings by the rotation. Meanwhile, Longoria is finally healthy after struggling with a foot injury all year. Big picture the Sox are the better team, but in terms of what they’re putting on the field right now, the Rays could get the nod. For example, Kevin Youkilis is comparable to Longoria when healthy, but right now he looks awful at the plate as he struggles to play through a sports hernia. He’s not the same player his career numbers would suggest at this time. I have similar questions on Gonzalez (calf) and Beckett (ankle) which will be answered over the last few weeks of the year. The Sox may be the better team, but they’re clearly not playing well right now and I think it goes beyond a collective slump which is due to correct.
All of that being said, momentum goes out the window if you’re facing someone like Verlander on top of his game. But against most starters, how a team is playing can make a difference. We all know good players slump, and nobody plays to the back of their baseball card all of the time. Health can be a big factor in who a player is at any given moment.
Fair enough Steve. I guess I was trying to differentiate the tangible (who is performing well) from the intangible (momentum or belief) and maybe I didn’t make that distinction clear enough. Certainly, who is playing well at present can be a real factor, but I still think the performance level over a full season is more likely to be predictive than a cold streak over a few weeks.
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