Supplementing my Jorge argument

9 Responses to Supplementing my Jorge argument

1. YankeesJunkie says:

   August 9, 2011 at 5:35 pm

   It is always hard to think of Jorge as a Hall of Fame player just because he was overshadowed by other players that were either bigger names or better numbers. Players such as Jeter, A-Rod, Mussina, etc. were seemingly front line players while Jorge played a “secondary” yet important role both in and off the field. I really enjoyed this analysis comparing Jorge to other catchers and using wRC+ to compare players of different eras. While other catchers played better defense or had better single offensive years, Jorge deserves to be in the HOF not only for playing consistently well for over a decade, but being part of 6 AL pennants and 4 WS champsionships.

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2. Cris Penguici says:

   August 9, 2011 at 5:39 pm

   While the offensive numbers certainly put him in the running for the HoF, how much does his defense hurt him? Based on my modest knowledge and recollection of Bench, Fisk, and Carter, I believe they were all better than Posada defensively. That may be his downfall. He’s been a great Yankee. Not quite sure if he’s HoF material however.

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3. Mister D says:

   August 9, 2011 at 8:57 pm

   He is an average-ish hitter by HoF catcher standards, but it is still a defensive position, and his defense has long been considered poor. I don’t know the defensive rep of all those HoF catchers, but I would imagine Posada would rank very low, and that likely pulls him into the lower echelon of HoF catchers, which usually means you are in the “did they really deserve to get in” category.

   For more context, I’d like to see him stacked against the best catchers who aren’t in the HoF (exempting Piazza and IRod, who most certainly will be).

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   • T.O. Chris says:

     August 10, 2011 at 3:53 am

     I wonder if voters will try and keep Piazza out, simply the belief of steroid use, much in the way they did Bagwell. Piazza has never had any real link to steroids, but the only link Jeff ever had was being friends with Ken Caminetti. There is always the chance they use a similar, “we think he did” bias against Mike.

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4. New York Yankees News and Notes : My Blog says:

   August 10, 2011 at 7:25 am

   [...] Imbrogno of Yankee Analysts argues that Jorge Posada belongs in the Hall of [...]

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5. Rich says:

   August 10, 2011 at 12:48 pm

   Jorge Posada does not belong in the Hall of Fame. He was a good hitter for his position and probably one of the worst receivers I have ever seen behind the plate. Trust me, I saw him behind the plate for nearly half the home games from 1998 through 2003. It was one of the most maddening things I ever had the displeaure of watching. He can’t frame a pitch to save his life, always set up late, and had terrible footwork. He was never very efficient throwing runners out, even with pitchers that were quick to the plate like Mussina. Not to mention, has there ever been a catcher that allowed more passed balls in the history of baseball? His defensive legacy will be for basically allowing more passed balls than any catcher I can ever remember and for having guys like Mussina and others request to not have him behind the plate when they pitched!

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   • Matthew Jacobs says:

     August 16, 2011 at 3:39 pm

     What a great point. How often did our pitchers seem to prefer to pitch to someone else? Other than a knuckleball guy, I’ve never seen a catcher bypassed by members of his staff like Posada has been. Rich makes some seriously good points that I wish Matt would respond to. If you want to argue that Posada is as good of a hitter as the HoF catchers, well, you might not be ridiculous. However, as a CATCHER, he’s nowhere even close to Hall candidacy.

     I could fart the ball to second base with more speed and accuracy than Posada can throw it. Just think how many runs we suffered because someone hit a single and promptly stole second against Posada.

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6. Posada and the DH in 2012 | New York Yankees blog, Yankees blog, A blog about the New York Yankees | The Yankee Analysts says:

   August 15, 2011 at 5:01 pm

   [...] thing, that’s fine with me. However, as much as I love Jorge, as much as I think he should be a Hall of Famer, he has no place with the Yankees after [...]

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7. Mike says:

   August 20, 2011 at 3:04 pm

   @Matthew Jacobs: “You might not be ridiculous”? This seems like a bit of an understatement considering the author used a little trick called mathematics to demonstrate that Posada’s offense compares favorably with the best catchers of all time. Furthermore, I’m a little disappointed that Jorge’s 932nd career walk went largely unnoticed by the baseball blogosphere last night. It’s my understanding that he surpassed Hall of Famer Rick Ferrell as the all-time leader among catchers (minimum 75% of games played at that position). Yet another offensive milestone that places Posada among the greatest catchers in baseball history.

   As for pitchers refusing to have Posada catch for them, I don’t give that argument a lot of credence. Is anyone suggesting that A.J. Burnett could throw any worse with Posada behind the plate? The fact is, Jorge has always been a fantastic pitch-caller. I think David Wells’ perfect game speaks to that.

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